22 januari 2026
63 min
Christian Idiodi sits down with SVPG partner Chris Jones to unpack the often-ignored other half of “empowered teams”: coaching the stakeholders. They dig into why stakeholders often feel like the enemy, what “healthy” actually looks like in the product operating model, and how trust, context-sharing, and outcome-thinking change the relationship. They also get practical about handling “because I said so,” avoiding the stakeholder “black hole,” and shifting finance from funding projects to funding teams and outcomes.
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Today’s episode will discuss:
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References:
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SVPG on stakeholders:
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Where to find Chris Jones:
SVPG profile: https://www.svpg.com/team/chris-jones/
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Where to find Christian Idiodi:
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Where to find SVPG:
SVPG’s newest book, TRANSFORMED: https://www.svpg.com/books/transformed-moving-to-the-product-operating-model/
Other books: https://www.svpg.com/books/
Articles: https://www.svpg.com/articles/
Workshops: https://www.svpg.com/
Videos: https://www.svpg.com/videos
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Timestamps:
(1:07) Why do stakeholders matter?
(3:52) The conflict between product and business
(6:47) Unpacking a healthy stakeholder relationship
(10:09) Stakeholders should give you problems, not solutions
(13:05) Why product has to make the first move
(17:58) Getting context when stakeholders won't give it
(24:42) The three reasons stakeholders resist you
(27:53) What we get wrong about “empowerment”
(31:56) Do senior executives need different coaching?
(37:21) Finance is the stakeholder nobody talks about
(41:47) Trust starts when teams own the outcome
(44:23) What dysfunction really looks like
(50:14) "We're too big for this" and other excuses
(53:45) The roadmap trap: predictability vs. discovery
(56:37) The accountability question everyone's afraid to ask
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Disclaimer:
While this podcast is named “Product Therapy”, it is not hosted by licensed therapists or mental health professionals, and it is in no way a substitute for professional mental health services. We recognize the importance of mental well-being and encourage anyone facing personal difficulties to seek support from qualified professionals. See https://findahelpline.com/
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Production:
Production by supermix.io
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