Interdependent Economies of Art w/ Kathrin Böhm, Marco Baravalle & Yazan Khalili

What is to be done when the usual economies of art — grants, markets, donors, biennials, institutions, and endless unpaid labour — reach their breaking point? In this episode, we look at interdependent economies of art and the search for alternative modes of organising artistic production amid systemic breakdown. Together with Kathrin Böhm, Marco Baravalle, and Yazan Khalili, we discuss more-than-capitalist economies, commons, alter-institutions, donor dependency, voluntary work, class privilege, and infrastructures of solidarity. Yet again, do not expect simplified responses to complex questions, but rather clarity that stems from years of practice, based on grounded reflections on Company Drinks, S.a.L.E. Docks, Radio Alhara, The Question of Funding, and Learning Palestine. Please join us as we ask whether art workers should defend institutions, abandon them, occupy them, or build something else — because after the breaking point, interdependent economy becomes a matter of survival, autonomy, and collective imagination.

* correction: Company Drinks was not started in 2013, as stated in the episode, but in 2014

Duckrabbits Talk Back is a podcast about postartistic antifascism, hosted by Aria Spinelli, Kuba Szreder, and Sepp Eckenhaussen. It was inspired by the comic treatise Duckrabbits Unveiled: A Sneak Peek at the Postartistic Theory and Practice (2025): https://networkcultures.org/blog/publication/duckrabbits-unveiled-a-sneak-peek-at-the-postartistic-theory-and-practice

Editing and production by Anielek Niemyjski

Cover art by Kacper Greń

Jingle by Olka Dąbrowska

Amsterdam, Institute of Network Cultures, 2026