Episode 252 | Simon Freeman and Mario Fraioli on Resetting Expectations, Running's Growing Pains, and Choosing Sustainability Over Scale

I recently sat down with my good friend and frequent podcast guest Simon Freeman, the co-founder and publisher of my favorite running magazine, Like The Wind, for our second quarterly conversation of 2026, which you can listen to wherever you get the morning shakeout podcast. An excerpt of this exchange can be found in Issue #49 of LtW, which is out now. (You can buy a copy or subscribe here.)

In this episode, recorded shortly after a wild spring racing season, we dig into the first sub-2-hour marathon ever run in an actual race, the women's-only world record set the same day in London, the barnburners at both Boston and Cocodona, and how barrier-breaking performances reset our sense of what's possible.

We also get into why racing (and not clock-chasing) is what makes the sport worth watching, running's growing pains around access to major events, the case for racing locally and supporting your community, and a lot more.

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Music and editing for this episode of the morning shakeout podcast by John Summerford.

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