20 augusti 2026
46 min
This one is a build deep dive. Daniel has spent eight years on the same problem, and the answer has changed shape three times along the way: a consumer app in 2018, a shoppable recipe platform in 2023, and now a conversational shopping assistant running inside grocers’ own sites.
We go deep on the plumbing here: product catalogs, ontologies, eval systems, model selection, retail media, and what an agent does when a shopper types “taco night.” If you like knowing how these things actually work under the hood, this is your episode.
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Highlights:
Daniel is one of those founders who has clearly built the thing himself, and it shows in the answers. We learned about a thousand things from this one. Enjoy the conversation.
Timestamps:
02:57 Welcome Daniel Vitiello, CEO & co-founder of Cooklist
03:10 Grocery, CPG, and retailer-hosted agents: the pod's favorite topics
04:46 The $1 check and the handwritten letter for loyalty data
05:46 Why 2017 was the moment
06:12 Inside the Cooklist app: home inventory and the AI chef
07:35 AI as the thread: Kurzweil, GPT-2, and the AI Chefs TikTok series
09:37 B2C to B2B, and the synergies of running both
12:05 The cat food problem
13:34 The core identity system: hummus, three ways
15:58 Search and select vs. review and accept
16:23 The spark for B2B: Target, Techstars, and saying no
18:45 Recipe commerce and meal-pairing merchandising
20:19 Funding: RevTech, Mercury Fund, and profitability
21:56 Freemium, pro, and advertising in the app
22:48 700 stores, 10 million shoppers
24:28 The flagship deployment: live in 41 days
25:56 Ontology, context engineering, and interviewing the retailer
27:03 Non-determinism and the eval system
29:06 Entry points: sparkles, suggested prompts, and PDP workflows
31:01 How the catalog and inventory get in
33:41 Procedures: the weekly flyer and the fish rule
35:55 Cost, speed, and the token-efficient stream
37:38 Model agnostic: scoring Opus against Sonnet
38:15 Instacart, Storefront Pro, and winning head-to-head
39:47 Retail media and Criteo
40:22 Agentic search and the "taco night" problem
42:02 Agentic merchandising: 1,000 Fourth of July bundles
42:55 Proactive carts, and the 50% who finish in the store
43:43 Smart fridges and forecasting demand
44:44 Where to find Daniel
👉 Connect with Daniel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dkvitiello/
👉 Learn more about Cooklist: https://cooklist.com/
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